Everyone in the Pool



Well, that really didn’t hit me as hard as I’d thought would. More than Butchie’s death, but still, not the heel in the gut that Bodie’s last stand was. Really, I think it comes down to one thing: It’s the illegal drug business. People don’t last long, much less stick around to languish in semi-retirement. The young’uns will always be more ruthless, if not “worse each year,” then still hungrier, and more nihilistic, than an old, fed guy can ever still expect to understand.

I know that there are kingpins who quietly operate forever, but things catch up with them eventually. That was the lesson of Stringer, right? He wanted out of the game, and yet in the end, the skeletons came knockin’. In this case, there just wasn’t any reason to think Joe would live forever because. . . he’d managed to loaf around unscathed these four plus seasons? It’s telling that Marlo asserted himself at the meeting as everyone was talking real estate. To him, that’s soft, and weak. Vacants are where bodies go. Spend too much time thinking like that, and to Marlo, you’re vulnerable.

You want to talk about realism? Why exactly would Joe or Butchie have been able to involve themselves in crime forever, well after they’d lost their edge—or, symbolically, any physicality that could intimidate? Going back to what I wrote last week, Marlo ended up having no use for Joe past acquiring his knowledge base. Mildly heartbreaking that Joe “treated him like a son,” but that also showed just how off his instincts were. Marlo’s retort barely even bothered with irony. It was fact, and Joe should’ve seen that.

It’s rough watching these beloved graybeards get cut down, but hey, it’s a show about violent drug gangs. Maybe there are ways to get old, fat, and insulate yourself completely, but that hasn’t happened here. Everyone hates Omar; at some point, that was going to come back on his benefactor. Joe played with fire by letting Marlo into the co-op, and fell victim to sentimentality by trying to mentor him. Maybe it’s tacky, or unseemly, or frightening that he ended up where he did. But for heaven’s sake, there’s tons of money and corner for the taking. That’s what drives these characters, and Marlo’s that to the zillionth degree.

I know we like to rhapsodize on how human, nuanced, and worth knowing even these criminals are. Here, though, we’re reminded exactly what we’re fucking with. Marlo’s an extreme case, but he’s the harsh reminder that at the end of the day, no likable character means shit when it’s a question of making money. It’s nice to think that there’s honor among thives, but there’s a reason the cliche runs in the opposite direction.

One thing worth noting about this rash of killings: It kind of makes it hard to write about much else, or have the kind of sprawling reaction it takes to fuel HH. At least not the hour after I finish watching. Maybe I’ll come back later in the week to praise that Herc/Joe scene, but even that just seems like foreshadowing of the ugly.

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59 Comments on “Everyone in the Pool”

  1. kidjock Says:

    It’s his people.

    Joe got cut down because of the people around him, plain and simple. Same with Stringer. Joe put his faith in an incompetent relative who is more concerned with making money than with family. Even after Joe protected him from Marlo after he got robbed by Omar. Avon put his faith in Avon who has no vision and probably was pissed Stringer killed his cousin. Marlo is where is he because his people (Snoop and Chris) are the most ruthless and loyal in the game right now. If Marlo falls, it will be because of his people.

    Same with Burrell. His people, Nerese, ministers and etc.. sold him out for 30 pieces of silver. And this was after his “people” in the police dept provided the mayor with the real stats.

  2. Hawkins Says:

    The only guy I can see turning on Marlo is Michael. Like Marlo, Snoop and Chris are machines, and have no real reasoning, they just have drive.

    I still think Marlo is out of his league with the Greeks, which is why they allowed him to kill Joe. Joe is a businessman, able to cut deals and use cunning. Marlo is a glorified soldier not cut out to be a general

  3. jb Says:

    who was it that chris lead cheese to in the warehouse?

  4. jb Says:

    ok, found the guy in the warehouse was hungry man. makes sense

  5. Anthony Says:

    Everyone keeps saying the Greeks alluded to Marlo that he should kill Joe if he wants the connect. Someone needs to explain that to me, I didn’t completely pick up on that. It definitely wasn’t explicit.

  6. B & B Enterprises Says:

    I don’t think we have much way of knowing who in Marlo’s crew might turn on him, since, as has been pointed out, his henchmen are portrayed in a rather machine-like, one-dimensional way. It is clear form the preview that Chris and Snoop will have some kind of a shoot-out with Omar next week (#55). Good shootin’, Omar.

  7. B & B Enterprises Says:

    re: Marlo killing Joe and what the Greeks would think of that….he was told they only want to deal with one person on the “street” in Baltimore. Nobody made any specific suggestion of killing Joe; that was just Marlo’s thug mentality concluding that if he wanted a line directly to the Greeks, Joe had to go.

  8. Simon's bitch Says:

    It’s always about what you’re willing to do.

    Marlo is willing to kill anybody.

    Carcetti is willing to make deals.

    Burrell is willing to juke the stats.

    They are all serving their ambition, whether it’s for money or power.

  9. Collins Says:

    The Greeks would well know that any hints of cooperating with someone wishing to undermine Joe would put Joe at great risk. That’s why, despite the offers from Marlo, Vondas insisted that they would only be dealing with Joe. To do otherwise would let Marlo know that they didn’t care about protecting their relationship with Joe (hence protecting his life, in this instance).

    When the Greek stepped in and let Marlo know that he thought it was reasonable to have insurance, he was essentially giving Marlo enough of a hint that they would be willing to work with him that it was tantamount to a green-light. The Greek would know that this is how Marlo would receive his words. He justified doing so by telling Vondas that he could tell that Marlo wouldn’t stop coming. He must have forseen that Marlo was going to knock-off Joe anyway, and thus Marlo was insurance against Joe (or the lack thereof) for the Greeks.

    I’m just amazed that Joe wouldn’t have seen it coming from Marlo sooner. Perhaps he did, and everything he gave Marlo was his attempt to show his value to him. Unfortunately, when it came down to it, he had nothing left to offer.

  10. Max Says:

    The exchange between Marlo and Joe right before it happened has me thinking, specifically offered his final proposition, saying, “I could just fade away…” and Marlo responded by saying that Joe couldn’t change his nature anymore than Marlo himself could. I think Joe might be the only person from the street side of things who had the resources and vision to do just that, to find a meaningful life outside of the game, and would have stayed gone if given the opportunity.

    The sad thing is that it that just doesn’t jive with Marlo’s consumed-by-the-gameworldview, which is why he had to go. In that way, it’s the same with why he had to poke his guns into a bees nest by knocking off Butchie.

  11. Hawkins Says:

    Joe didn’t see it coming from Marlo or Cheese.

    I think Joe always viewed Marlo as being appreciative of Joe showing him the ropes. That was his blind spot.

    Also, that Marlo would be a competitor a la Avon and not someone looking to take out the co-op

  12. Sahu Says:

    R.I.P. Prop Joe.

  13. Joe Crawford Says:

    @Kidjock and @Hawkins – you make good points about Chris and Snoop being so loyal that they’re unlikely to turn on Marlo. Chris is definitely all about “ours is not to reason why” — an efficient and ruthless lieutenant — but as I think back to when they were about to go after Butchie, Snoop actually expressed some doubt about the wisdom of killing Butchie to get at Omar, when fact is Omar was gone and inactive. Sort of an “it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” —

    It struck me at the time that it was the first time we’ve seen Snoop question her boss. I’m wondering if there were other instances of her questioning Marlo or Chris (hard, since they’re attached at the hip) in Season 4.

    So hard to believe there’s only 6 more episodes.

  14. Hawkins Says:

    @Joe Crawford
    I view Snoop as being a bit more hesitant when she’s not in control. She talks big when she has the upper hand, but come face to face with someone as ruthless as Omar who can get the drop, sure, she’s going to back down.

    Look at who Marlo’s crew has taken down and how many of those were instances where the victims were sycophants or old or ambushed.

  15. T.J. Otto Says:

    I don’t really see anyone in Marlo’s crew taking him down. Marlo’s crew is made that way. When Cheese first met them he called them “Semper Fi Mutherfuckers.” That seems to be a pretty accurate description of the crew. They all are in it for life, and in it for Marlo because he’s the boss, very militaristic. The only one in the crew that possibly could show descent is Michael, and that seems a little too, wrap it up in a bow, for the wire. However, everything is connected.

  16. Odds Bodkins Says:

    Once again, people underestimate Marlo as a true gangster. I thought it was perfectly reasonable for him to expect an english-speaking teller overseas. I also think that scene was to try and throw us off the scent a bit, so that Prop Joe’s assassination would sting a bit more, coming from a grade-A thug with no business sense. It worked.

    Cheese got a little tired of being on the outside, looking in, and being called out in public no less. Joe taking Hungry Man’s side at the co-op meeting was the last straw… and in turn, he received an offer/gift he couldn’t refuse. Joe was also worried about Omar gunning for him, he let his guard down around Marlo. Perhaps, he would have jettisoned B-more a little earlier had it not been for Butchie’s demise? What will Herc and Levy’s next move be? I can’t imagine this being swept under the rug since that camera cost him his job. Now, Herc has more of a reason to detest Stanfield.

    Carver is losing his grip on a very serious situation. It’s one thing to handle a few dozen Bob Brown’s… it’s quite another to rat out a team member. Carv might have his nuts cut off, rendering him next to useless in his current role.

    And old Clay Davis. A true charmer to the end… an end he very clearly sees coming. Isn’t it always the 101 stuff that gets these types convicted? Not so surprising Bond wants to bury the bank/property angle — as the Sun has already opened up that wound enough… very interesting Rhonda didn’t call him on it. But, 40 years for Clay is a victory in itself. Cut off the head. Unless Lester wants to dig deeper, which is a long shot since he and McNutty have switched their focus back to Marlo, or unless Clay goes down swinging… which is much more likely.

    Burrell, always the company man. Taking six figures and a full pension and his dirt on Daniels to DC with him. That leaves Rawls in control… as we’re still waiting to see if his personal life comes to the forefront. Perhaps, Twig can give the Sun one last scoop on that? Or maybe Templeton can use his brain to report actual news for once.

  17. Simon Says:

    Did anyone else catch that one of the port workers from season 2 is now homeless? He still had his goatee and was sitting in a lawn chair with his dog while McNulty wandered around the hobo community.

  18. G Says:

    RE: Odds Bodkins – “Burrell, always the company man. Taking six figures and a full pension and his dirt on Daniels to DC with him. ”
    Did anyone notice that Nerese took the file with the dirt on Daniels? I know there are onl 6 episodes left, but what’s the possibility of Nerese using that to blackmail Daniels? a bit of a stretch?

  19. G Says:

    RE: Simon Says – Did anyone else catch that one of the port workers from season 2 is now homeless?

    I thought he looked familiar. It was the operator (ziggy’s friend) who used to supply the numbers that made the containers disappear

  20. slinky mcroberts Says:

    Johnny 50

  21. Ramsey Says:

    re: Johnny 50

    damn I recognized the face but didn’t connect it. I think I remember reading somewhere that the actor for Johnny 50 is like a grip or tech or some such for the show.

  22. Gukbe Says:

    In regards to Snoop and her questioning: I’ve only seen the episode once, but I thought her reluctance to kill Butchie came more from a “don’t we have a better plan for taking out Omar than to kill his man and hope he comes straight at us?” I didn’t think she was questioning going after Omar, as she was pretty keen to in the earlier episode.

    Carv: I didn’t see this as setting him up for a fall. They haven’t been paying a lot of attention to him so far this season, so maybe that’s why, but it felt like they were just continuing the thread of Carver’s blossoming into a smart, caring police officer. The hope for a slow change of the department from knuckle-headed asshole soldiers to actual police. But hey, could be wrong. They just seem to have an awful lot to get through in 6 episodes, and exploring Carver’s subordinate’s reaction doesn’t seem to rank very high.

    Nerese: I definitely think Nerese’s possession of Daniels’ dirt file is going to come back, though how exactly I don’t know. Maybe to save Clay Davis/Royce/and in turn, herself.

  23. Chip Says:

    Carv: He was pretty explicit in his conversation with Herc that he is realizing that actions have consequences, “it’s all connected,” and bone-headed policing can end up screwing a good kid like Randy. The whole sequence of actions, from jumping on the corner too quickly, to throwing the kids around, to beating on a civilian who had a perfectly reasonable request is the essence of boneheaded policing, and Carver can’t put up with that anymore. Of course, we all know that Simon is quite the cynic, so yeah, I agree that Carver is doomed.

  24. Chip Says:

    Nerese: Didn’t she already let Carcetti know that she has dirt on Daniels? I imagine that she doesn’t exactly know yet how she will use the dirt, but just having it is quite a chip she has to play. Having the mayor know that she knows something he doesn’t gives her power, and once Daniels is the commissioner, it would give her some leverage over him.

  25. Gukbe Says:

    Nerese did make a point not to confirm to Daniels that it was Carcetti. I can’t imagine her hiding that without it coming back to haunt…somebody.

  26. engorged Says:

    The greeks fucked Joe. Hard Why did they give him up? Why for Marlo the undependable thug with “dirty money” whom they consider too close to the corner to be dealing with?

    The Greeks damn well knew that the half-assed parliamentary style coop system was bound to explode with its cast of thugs. They never liked it: it led to “too many names if yu know what I mean”. They prbably weren’t thrilled to hear that Joe bought the coop’s shit back from omar after the robbery. If Marlo knows about it, others surely know too.
    The Greeks decide to let the projects clear up it own mess all the while hoping that everything gets settled as quickly as posible. No matter who wins control, warfare is bad for their business. They were certaintly never willing to protect Joe from competition on the streets.

  27. engorged Says:

    but marlo better have clean money yo.

  28. slow train coming Says:

    I hope you guys don’t mind an outsider joining your remarkable world of comments. Never have I read such thoughtful and complex analysis of The Wire. Thank you!
    I still cannot fully understand the way Marlo led Joe to his death. “Close your eyes, it won’t hurt none…” That is not something I would expect from Marlo. If it were coming from anybody else, I would dare to say it contained traces of respect but coming from him I cannot find an appropriate word to describe that. Am I off here? Should I watch that scene again?
    Attention to detail in The Wire never ceases to amaze me. Marlo’s shirt in that scene said Royal Addiction.
    As Carver driven that Herc/Carv scene was, I thought it revealed more about Herc than about Carver. We knew Carver was on a growing path and that he left those brutal, “Western District ways” behind a long time ago but Herc actually showed good judgment, understanding and logical thinking. Not something one would usually associate with Herc.
    Maybe this is something to be ashamed of admiting but, for the first time ever ,Marlo made me laugh when he asked Herc about the camera.

  29. Jo in B'more Says:

    In episode 52, Prop Joe made the comment that it was hard work trying to ‘civilize’ Marlo, which was more to Prop Joe’s benefit than to Marlo’s. Prop Joe gave away the store: how to clean the money, how to get it back, and made the lawyer connect with Levy. Marlo didn’t need him anymore and he definitely resented the control Joe had over the co-op and Marlo himself.

    Just as Season 3 showed that the drug trade won’t be changed, and thus Stringer failed, Marlo refused to be “civilized,’ and thus Joe had to go.

    Anyone watching via On Demand? Have you noticed how the three prequells are tying in with some of the plot points? Joe making deals on both sides of the fence from his elementary school days, Omar has his code, and Bunk and Jimmy drinking it up from night #1. I wonder if Bunk will be so demoralized and frustrated with powers that be that he will come over to Jimmy and Freeman’s side.

    There are so many balls in the air so far it’s hard to keep my head from spinning! I’m lovin’ it!

  30. Simon's bitch Says:

    The scene between the Greeks and Marlo reminded me a lot of The Godfather, when Sonny indiciates interest in the drug trade while the Don is saying no, thus setting up the attempted hit. When the Greek says yes to insurance, Joe’s fate was sealed.

    Thanks on the Johnny 50 sighting. Didn’t catch that.

    You all caught that Barlow was reading Generation Kill when McNutty was trying to jog his memory about the red ribbon? Right before the wife calls and he asks about the cabinet stain. Barlow is always doing home improvements.

  31. kidjock Says:

    Insurance. I don’t think the Vondas were cosigning the death of Joe by saying the wanted insurance. I think Marlo just took that and ran with it that they were willing to deal with him. The Greeks IMO were willing to deal with both Joe and Marlo, it is just that Marlo wants to be the only one kingpin in Baltimore.

    What kills me is why Cheese would want to bend over for Marlo than for Joe? It’s not like Marlo will forgive him if his count is short, or include him in the inner circle. They will “allow” Cheese to have a section, but his price for product will go up along with everyone else. His greed will be his undoing.

  32. Hawkins Says:

    @kidjock: I think it’s simple to see why Cheese did it. The soldier mentality is a shortsighted one, while the “general” (see also Stringer Bell) is a long range view makes you seem weak on the streets, and not long for this world. Everyone lives for “the now” and once you don’t in that world, it makes it look like it’s passed you by.

    You think Chris or Snoop have any long term aspirations? It makes me think Michael or Dookie, who are the “dreamers” are about to have them crushed. That seems to be the m.o. in this series is that visionaries are crushed under the weight of a system that lives for the now.

    @slow train: I agree, there are mixed messages there. I think if Marlo was truly “respecting” Joe, he’d do it himself. I think it was more to tell Prop Joe “I know all your secrets, now I’m better than you” in a dressing down fashion.

  33. Paul Says:

    i watched episode 5 I got from a torrent right after this one…
    these two back to back have been two of the best so far…

  34. pk Says:

    the thing to remember about Marlo, particularly in this season, is that the authors have constructed him to be the symbol in the hood, or the living embodiment of corporate personhood, which essentially acts pathologically and ruthlessly. in this case, they are comparing him to The Chicago Tribune Company, which by law, is legally binded to ensuring growing profits, even to the detriment of product. this is our current economic paradigm, the authors are skewering. Marlo is the same way, only he operates based on the law of the streets in a similar darwinian biggest fish in the pond metaphor.

    by the way, episode 5.4 ranks towards the tops in my all-time favorites, so many swings of emotions. special mention to the particularly great scenes with Herc: Herc and Marlo (marlo lets out a full laugh!), Herc and Joe (“stone stupid.”) and herc and carver (carver fully grown up and herc as well!!) with that said, i still have a gut feeling that somehow herc being with Levy and having Marlo as a client, will Eff up the prosecution of Marlo somehow.

  35. vadmspartan Says:

    Yeah all together this was one of the better episodes if not the best episode of this season. I think that Marlo has shown himself to be smarter than previously thought as he played Joe into giving him everything he needed to know to replace Joe. Unfortunately Joe didn’t get the memo and didn’t realize that he was in a weakened position. The Greeks didn’t need Joe specifically or at least that was what Marlo got out of the exchange with them. Marlo is now the Greeks’ interface with the streets. He saw that Joe was in his way of climbing to the top and simply eliminated him. Hopefully Omar will put an end to that.

    I think Naresse keeping Daniels’ folder is simply for leverage for when he becomes Commissioner and she needs to keep him in his place if he decides to y’know actually reform the place.

    It’s also heartbreaking and inevitable that McNulty and Beadie’s relationship would go down the tubes. McNulty seems intent and at peace as he hurtles to his own self-destruction. It was cool seeing Freamon’s roots in patrol though.

  36. the missing camera Says:

    A small moment I liked was Slim Charles bounding upstairs youthfully, on his way home , up those horrible stairs – glancing up to the next landing defensively -and then down that awful hallway. He’s a fairly big guy in the biz, and he lives there.

  37. E. Bedelio Says:

    speaking of slim charles , with joe gone where does he stand? is he going solo or does this basically lay out his death?

  38. Slim’s situation is interesting. In the first episode of the season, Marlo seemed to be suggesting that Slim should be getting his own territory, or at least taking on some sort of an elevated role. Then, take into consideration the parallel plot-lines, and all the talk of “grooming” someone for their eventual spot at the top with an interim placeholder (i.e. Rawls paving the way for Daniels). With that said, Marlo, knowing that the co-op may not buy him as Joe’s immediate successor, will need Slim around to soften his eventual rise.

    Or, we’ve seen said grooming occur with Joe passing on his lessons to Marlo all along, though that seems unlikely. Hard to say.

  39. Wait, that last paragraph makes no sense. Marlo was being groomed either way, with or without the potential interim Slim. Proceed.

  40. the missing camera Says:

    Slim was Avon’s field lieutenant, he was out there ready to kill Marlo and his crew, but the order didn’t come, the cops busted in on Avon. Slim might have succeeded, he had the drop on them.

    Then Joe had Slim at his side as Marlo closed in, but Joe never used him, that we saw, except as a symbol of strength. Slim warned him.

  41. Gukbe Says:

    Any chance of Marlo blaming Joe’s demise on Omar? Would that be his way of ‘actually working together’ with co-op people to take him out? Just a thought my friend mentioned this evening.

  42. Anthony Says:

    Method Man is perhaps the most famous member of one of the best rap groups of all-time, he had three platinum solo albums of his own, he was part of a timeless duet with Mary J. Blige, and he starred in a classic stoner flick, but I will always remember him for playing the treacherous, money-hungry Cheese, the man that turned on his uncle, the great Prop Joe. I hope Omar gives him what he has comin’.

  43. slow train coming Says:

    @pk Very interesting point. My “pet” name for Marlo has been Monopolistic Corporation. I have always viewed him as Microsoft of the street world. Not only that he is pathologically driven by growing profits and increased market share, his goal is to make barrier to entry impossibly high and eliminate all competition. And his product doesn’t have easily accessible viable substitute. This season’s introduction of Tribune Company and the information as a seller’s product just beautified that metaphor for me. If you happen to be in drug buying business in Baltimore, Marlo has you checkmated. If you happen to be in information buying business, media conglomerate has you checkmated. Not only that you have a diminishing quality product, you have no easily accessible substitute since radio, TV and newspapers (traditional sources of information) are all owned by one, big “Marlo”.

    @gukbe Wouldn’t blaming Omar for Joe’s death be a little too obvious? I mean, blaming Omar would be like breaking a vase and then saying “It was like that when I got here”. Marlo should be smarter than that.

    Am I the only person who only now realized Ricardo Hendrix sits on the co-op?! Ricardo Hendrix connected to Nerese Campbell and the whole property scandal? Was I not attentive enough in the past or they just revealed that connection in episode 4?

  44. the missing camera Says:

    pk – So, this was Prop Joe’s “buyout package.” He and Hungry Man took early retirement.

  45. E. Bedelio Says:

    why would you even bring up what happens in episode 5?

  46. Venjamin Jenkman Says:

    from Hawkins – That seems to be the m.o. in this series is that visionaries are crushed under the weight of a system that lives for the now.

    Obama watches…think he’s picked up on that little insight yet?

  47. Shoals Says:

    I forgot which post Jim’s comment was originally on, since I deleted it. So I’ll put this two places: DON’T POST SPOILERS. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THEM. IT DOESN’T MAKE YOU SMARTER OR MORE PRESCIENT TO HAVE WATCHED AHEAD.

  48. mikebeggs Says:

    Haha, Obama is a visionary?

  49. Brian Says:

    Another new commenter here, love the show, just watched 54. Damn!

    SLOW TRAIN: I didn’t find it at all odd what Marlo said to Joe as Chris got ready to shoot him. IT reminded me of the first time we saw Chris and Snoop kill someone in a vacant. Chris almost seemed tender, telling the guy something like “Don’t worry, I got you covered, it won’t hurt.”

  50. zenbot Says:

    @Brian – Where I found Chris’ attempt to comfort the dude that he was going to kill sort of sweet, in a psychopathic way, I found Marlo’s conversation with Joe pre-offing incredibly creepy; and the completely empty look on his face after Chris had shot Joe even moreso. Ugh. If I want anything out of this season, it’s Marlo’s comeuppance.

  51. mattbird Says:

    Did anyone else think Herc was being disingenuous when he told Carver to do what he felt was right? It seemed to me that underlying everything Herc said was the message, “You think you’re better than me, you’re a rat, fuck you”. When he mentions how everyone is going to give Carver shit, it feels to me not like he’s preparing his friend for what will probably happen, but rather like he’s trying to put pressure on Carver to pull back.

  52. Venjamin Jenkman Says:

    @mikebeggs: They’re both characters in TV dramas, why not?

  53. Mal Says:

    Mattbird – I didn’t get that at all. It was certainly leading that way, but when Herc accepted that he probably should have been fired, it seemed as though his new distance from policing has given him some perspective. For all the perks and the money, he knows that working for Levy means he’s on the side of the gangsters, and I think he’s accepting that Carver’s intentions are good, even though it’s going to be hard for him.

  54. DocRich Says:

    Slow Train – regarding Ricardo Hendrix, he has been a member of the co-op since the beginning. But always referred to by his street name, “Fat Face Rick”. In this season’s opening episode, Gus noticed his name in connection with Nereese and the real estate deal and realized it was the same guy. When Gus knew, that is when we knew.

    As an aside, it was Fat Face Rick’s cousin Trina (“with the big ole ass” according to Slim) who gave DSS info on Omar to Shamrock. That info ultimately led to the shooting of Omar’s Gramma.

  55. Pooh Says:

    Is it me, or did the other cops in the room basically give Carver the green light to do Collechio the same way that the Greek gave up Joe? The looks were essentially “I ain’t gonna say nothing, but this motherfucker is out of control.”

  56. Dave Rickey Says:

    If Joe wanted to walk away, he needed to have made it his priority as soon as the co-op was stable. Slowly concede corners and connections, not to people demanding them but as grease to make other deals work. Switch to his legit enterprises, slowly have less and less to do with the day-to-day until finally someone looks around and says “Where’s Prop’ Joe?” “Who cares?”

    That’s the only way to retire out of the game without doing a total life reboot in some faraway place. You can’t hang around as some kind of gangster older statesman and not expect that sooner or later some up-and-comer isn’t going to find it easier, more useful, to take you out than to work with you. The game doesn’t have special rules for old soldiers, they fade away or they go out bloody.

  57. Dave Rickey Says:

    @pooh: The rest of them could see Collechio had already *gotten* his lifeline from Carver; Stiffen up, claim stress and confusion, and apologize for being a dick, and you’ll at worst get some time in the bag or at a desk, more likely a formal apology and you go do a DARE presentation for his class. Collechio couldn’t pull his head out of the street, he was going to get his proper respect from that civilian no matter what.

    You can’t cover him when he keeps digging the hole.

  58. Kenya Says:

    Prop Joe’s trump card was always the connection to the good dope. It would have been hard for him to put all the pieces together. No doubt, he still assumed that he was in the superior position because only he had the connection with the Greeks. He needed better intel on Marlo’s comings and goings.

  59. engorged Says:

    re: Carver doing Collechio scene.
    I had another reading. I detected a racist component in Collechio’s refusal to apologize. He said something like, “Fuck him, his laying on the horn. He deserved it.” Once he said this it was clear that he was completey out of the realm of the rational EVEN WELL AFTER THE FACT. This indicates that there was a whole other reason he attacked the man in the first place. Why? Because the driver was black. Once Carver smelled Collechio’s latent racism, he had total coviction to take Collechio down. Without this deeper I just don’t think Carver would have turned on a fellow cop so quickly. He would have at least tried to reason with the man a bit or somebody else would have. But it went down fast because Collechio is a racist and everyone there knew it.

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